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Catching the Cybercriminal: Reforming Global Law Enforcement

November 18, 2019 @ 9:00 am - 5:30 pm

Can cybercriminals and the organizations often behind them actually be caught, and held accountable? What more can, and should, be done?

New York University’s Center for Cybersecurity, the Journal of National Security Law & Policy, and Third Way co-hosted Catching the Cybercriminal: Reforming Global Law Enforcement, the first-of-its-kind symposium dedicated to answering those vexing questions on November 18, in New York City.

The event, the culmination of the year-long launch of Third Way’s Cyber Enforcement Initiative, elevated discussions on policy solutions to identify and impose consequences on malicious cyber actors from the perspective of America’s law enforcement and our international partners.

Participants included high-level cyber experts, policymakers, and media. Panelists covered topics including the needs and capabilities of U.S. and international law enforcement and diplomats to address cybercrime and digital evidence.

Video of the event is now available


8:30 AM: Doors Open for Breakfast

9:00 AM: Welcome Remarks

Mieke Eoyang, Vice President for the National Security Program, Third Way

9:30 AM – 10:45 AM: Live Recording of “The Lawfare Podcast:” Creating Cybercrime Solutions

Ben Wittes of Lawfare will sit down with United States Senator Mark Warner (D-VA), Vice Chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and co-founder of the Senate Cybersecurity Caucus, and Representative Jim Himes (D-CT), Chairman of the STAR Subcommittee of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, to discuss responses to the cybercrime threat in a live taping of The Lawfare Podcast.

Speakers: Senator Mark Warner (D-VA), United States Senator

Representative Jim Himes (D-CT), Chairman, Strategic Technologies and Advanced Research (STAR) Subcommittee, House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence

Host: Ben Wittes, Editor-in-Chief, Lawfare and Senior Fellow in Governance Studies, Brookings

10:45 AM – 11:00 AM: Coffee Break

11:00 AM – 11:15 AM: Introduction to the Journal of National Security Law and Policy and Expert Flash Talks Round 1

Third Way partnered with the Journal of National Security Law and Policy to produce a special edition of the Journal on cybercrime enforcement. Todd Huntley will speak about this special edition and the process for researchers and writers to publish in the future. The authors of research papers that will be published in this Journal edition will present their research during flash talks throughout the day. More detailed abstracts of the papers will be published in the event program.

Topics discussed during this round will be cybercrime and cyberwar and indicting nation state actors.

Speakers: Todd Huntley, Managing Editor of the Journal of National Security Law and Policy and Director of the National Security Law Program, Georgetown University Law Center.

Chimène Keitner, Alfred and Hanna Fromm Professor of International Law, UC Hastings College of the Law

Garrett Hinck, Research Assistant, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace

11:15 AM – 12:15 PM: The Who, What, When, Where, Why of Cybercrime

Cybercrime is committed by a host of different actors with different motivations. Former American federal and local law enforcement members will join the private sector to discuss the real-world people, places, and motivations behind crimes conducted in cyberspace.

Speakers: Eileen Decker, President, Los Angeles Police Commission and Former US Attorney for the Central District of California

Jim Baker, Director of National Security and Cybersecurity, R Street Institute and Former General Counsel, Federal Bureau of Investigation

Ron Bushar, Vice President and CTO – Government Solutions, FireEye

Kristin Judge, President, Cybercrime Support Network

Moderator: Ambassador (ret.) Gina Abercrombie-Winstanley, Member of the Cyber Enforcement Initiative Advisory Board and Former United States Ambassador

12:15 PM – 1:15 PM: Lunch Discussion: A Conversation with Google

Google’s Director of Law Enforcement and Information Security Richard Salgado will discuss Google’s perspective on the role of the tech industry in the enforcement of cybercrime, and the trade-offs in public-private cooperation in bringing to justice malicious cyber actors.

Speaker: Richard Salgado, Director of Law Enforcement and Information Security, Google

Moderator: Jennifer Daskal, Professor and Faculty Director, Tech, Law, Security Program, American University Washington College of Law

1:15 – 2:15 PM: Cybercrime: Who You Gonna Call?

Law enforcement has had to extensively retool to deal with cybercrime. Officials from two leading US enforcement agencies on cybercrime will discuss the successes and challenges of investigating and apprehending cybercriminals.

Speakers: Tonya Ugoretz, Deputy Assistant Director, Cyber Division, Federal Bureau of Investigation

Michael D’Ambrosio, Assistant Director of the Office of Investigations, US Secret Service

Moderator: Judith Germano, Distinguished Fellow, New York University Center for Cybersecurity, Adjunct Professor, New York University School of Law, and Founder, GermanoLawLLC

2:15 PM – 2:25 PM: Expert Flash Talks Round 2

Topics discussed during this round will be state and local cybercrime enforcement and the need for better cybercrime metrics.

Speakers: Margaret Brunner, Program Director, Homeland Security & Public Safety Division, National Governors Association

Stephen Cobb, CISSP, Independent Researcher

2:30 PM – 2:45 PM: Coffee Break

2:45 PM – 3:45 PM: A Little Help from Our Friends: Working With International Partners

Cybercrime is a transnational and borderless threat. How are countries developing and supporting their own law enforcement bodies to tackle this issue? What international cooperation mechanisms exist for countries to coordinate in these investigations and how can they work more effectively?

Speakers: Neil Walsh, Chief, Cybercrime and Anti-Money Laundering Section, United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime

Norikazu Otaki, Legal Attache, Embassy of Japan in the United States

Terlumun George-Maria Tyendezwa, Assistant Director and Head Cybercrime Prosecution Unit, Federal Ministry of Justice, Federal Republic of Nigeria

Allison Peters, Deputy Director of the National Security Program, Third Way

Moderator: Jenna McLaughlin, National Security and Investigations Reporter, Yahoo News

3:45 PM – 3:55 PM: Expert Flash Talks Round 3

Topics discussed during this round will be cyber insurers and the definition of “possession, custody, or control” as used in the US law known as the CLOUD Act.

Speakers: Asaf Lubin, Affiliate, Berkman Klein Center for Internet & Society, Harvard University and Lecturer, Yale University

Justin Hemmings, Research Faculty Member, Georgia Institute of Technology and Project Attorney at Alston & Bird LLP

3:55 PM – 4:00 PM: Closing Remarks

Speaker: Ari Schwartz, Managing Director of Cybersecurity Services, Venable LLP and Former Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for Cybersecurity on the US National Security Council (2013-2015)

4:00 PM – 5:30 PM: Cocktail Reception Sponsored by Venable LLP



Venue Name: Greenberg Lounge
Address: 40 Washington Sq. South
New York, NY 10012

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Organizer Name: NYU Center for Cybersecurity
Organizer Name: Third Way